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Monday 14 April 2014

Prabhupad Ritvik Memes


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  1. Satsvarupa: By the votes of the present GBC. Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you're no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted.

    Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas.

    Tamala Krsna: Is that called rtvik-acarya?

    Prabhupada: Ṛtvik, yes.

    Satsvarupa: Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the initiation and the...

    Prabhupada: He's guru. He's guru.

    Satsvarupa: But he does it on your behalf.

    Prabhupada: Yes. That is formality. Because in my presence one should not become guru, so on my behalf, on my order... Amara ajñaya guru haña [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Be actually guru, but by my order.

    Satsvarupa: So they may also be considered your disciples.

    Prabhupada: Yes, they are disciples. Why consider? Who?

    Tamala Krsna: No, he's asking that these rtvik-acaryas, they're officiating, giving diksa. Their... The people who they give diksa to, whose disciple are they?

    Prabhupada: They're his disciple.

    Tamala Krsna: They're his disciple.

    Prabhupada: Who is initiating. He is [my] granddisciple.

    Satsvarupa: Yes.

    Tamala Krsna: That's clear.

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  2. Satsvarupa: By the votes of the present GBC. Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you're no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted.

    Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas.

    Tamala Krsna: Is that called rtvik-acarya?

    Prabhupada: Ṛtvik, yes.

    Satsvarupa: Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the initiation and the...

    Prabhupada: He's guru. He's guru.

    Satsvarupa: But he does it on your behalf.

    Prabhupada: Yes. That is formality. Because in my presence one should not become guru, so on my behalf, on my order... Amara ajñaya guru haña [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Be actually guru, but by my order.

    Satsvarupa: So they may also be considered your disciples.

    Prabhupada: Yes, they are disciples. Why consider? Who?

    Tamala Krsna: No, he's asking that these rtvik-acaryas, they're officiating, giving diksa. Their... The people who they give diksa to, whose disciple are they?

    Prabhupada: They're his disciple.

    Tamala Krsna: They're his disciple.

    Prabhupada: Who is initiating. He is [my] granddisciple.

    Satsvarupa: Yes.

    Tamala Krsna: That's clear.

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